4 Teen Killers Who Thought They Outsmarted Everyone… Until 

4 Teen Killers Who Thought They Outsmarted Everyone… Until 

You are a shapeless, iron monster, and you deserve to rot in jail for a lifetime for what you did to my son, who was harmless. Four teenagers, three criminal cases, all under 20, all labeled evil teens. Cases that shocked communities across the US and raised one question people still argue about. What actually led them here? We were going to go into the house.

Uh Austin was going to distract Justin, and then I was going to come up behind him and choke him and kill him. January 28th, 2014, Waynesville, Ohio. Austin Myers and Timothy Mosley are both 19 years old. Austin Myers is sentenced to death. Timothy Mosley receives life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Two people walk into the same house with the same plan. Only one of them faces execution. The difference between their sentences comes down to one thing. What they say happened inside that room. There are only three people who know what happened in that room, one of whom was dead. So at that point, it’s one person’s word against another.

Their target is 18-year-old Justin Back. Myers knows him and believes there is money inside the house, $20,000, possibly in a safe. The plan is to go in, take the cash, and leave. At some point, that changes. >> And what was your intent when you went back to the house? Uh I didn’t have any intent of taking Leaving a witness behind is no longer part [music] of it.

Myers approaches him first and keeps his attention forward. Behind him, Mosley moves into [music] position and tries to use a piece of wire to restrain him. The attempt fails [music] and Justin resists. The situation escalates. Myers holds him in place. Mosley switches to a knife. Tell me what happened from Monday night on, what [music] transpired that led up to this.

The way we went back on Tues- Tuesday. And what then was your intent when you went back to the house? Just the same thing as I said before. Do you think you’re going just to hang out? You didn’t have any other intent of taking anything? No, I didn’t have any intent of taking anything. You knew Brian was there? Why did this suddenly happen? >> I didn’t want to try to talk about it cuz he just killed one of my old friends in front of me.

And he had a gun in his pocket, and I didn’t know what to do. Austin said it’d be a good idea if we made it look like a robbery or something. We ended up wrapping him up in a blanket, put him in the trunk, and then put him behind a tree with the blanket on him. He shot him twice. Justin Back is stabbed multiple times inside his home and dies at the scene.

They transport it to a rural area and leave [music] it behind a tree. Then they return, attempting to access the safe and remove evidence. Cleaning agents are used inside [music] the house and some items are burned. So we were thinking quick job, in and out, boom, we’ll make some money. The investigation moves quickly.

Justin Back is reported missing and police begin tracing his last known contacts. Phone records place Austin Myers and Timothy Mosley among the last people to communicate with him. Their timeline doesn’t fully match the evidence. As investigators narrow the sequence of events, both become primary suspects and are brought in for questioning.

Mosley talks. After he tried to sell me out, make me like I did everything. Uh this is How would I know about the safe? How would I know about money? Why would I kill someone in cold blood? He told me about it. What did he tell you about? He told me about Justin’s house. He said that saying he has a safe, he keeps it back there open, and he has a gun and a lot of money.

 How much money did you think was going to be there? Austin said it’d be a couple thousand. So we were thinking quick job, in and out, boom, we’ll make some money. And then we uh killed him. Uh uh taking out Justin because he was in the way. So he’s the brains of the operation? Is that what you’re saying? Pretty much.

 I I was following >> You’re the muscle. Pretty much. >> it feel like you hit bone or anything like that? It was tough. It was just It was in and out. Really? I had no time I I stabbed him. I I don’t I don’t know exactly. You know what I mean? He gives a statement describing what happened inside the house. From that point on, the case builds around Mosley’s account, supported by physical evidence and a reconstructed timeline placing both of them at the scene.

In court, their roles become central. [music] Mosley describes Myers as the one who selected the target [music] and pushed the plan forward. The prosecution presents evidence of preparation and prior intent. There are not enough words to describe how much we miss our son. I hope that one day that you will tell us why you helped to take such a wonderful life.

The jury is asked to decide whether the killing had been planned. We therefore unanimously find the sentence of death be imposed upon Austin Myers. No, I made a horrible mistake. Uh I’m only 19 years old. I I think there’s a a lot of good things I can do with my life if you will let me to keep my life. Austin Myers is sentenced to death.

Timothy Mosley receives life in prison. There are so many conversations that I want to have with her but now cannot. I’ll never be able to ask her how she met my father or what happened to her in New York. Because of my actions, I will never be able to truly know my mom. Not only have I stolen my mother from myself but from everybody else as well.

November 2nd, 2018, DeBary, Florida. A 911 call comes in from a 15-year-old boy. 911, what is your emergency? Um I I I just got home and >> [clears throat] >> the the my house is completely trashed. It looks like someone broke in the side door. I see. Uh How long have you been How long have you been gone? I I’ve been gone all school day.

 Um I got home Are you there by yourself? Yeah, I’m I’m on my own. >> [music] >> I’m I’m 15. Okay. And >> [music] >> like my mom’s car is here, it’s on, and she’s not home, and she was supposed to go to work today, and I can’t find Okay, your mom is Okay. Okay. Your mom’s car is there. Is there any other way she ever gets >> [music] >> to work? Does she ever get a ride from anyone else? He No, she It’s on. The car is on.

 It’s turned on. >> and you’re sure she is not there? I searched the entire place. I’ve been here for like 8 minutes. I didn’t look You can’t find her. Okay, I want you to stay on the phone with me. We are not going to disconnect until I have an officer that is with you, okay? Okay. Okay, do we Did you see anyone leave the house? No. Okay.

Stay on the phone with me. I’m making a phone note. Are you safe [music] where you’re at? Yeah yeah yeah, I didn’t feel anything. You know, I checked the entire house cuz I was looking for her, but she’s not here. Deputies from the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office respond to the home. At first, the situation is treated as a possible burglary and missing person case.

As they examine the scene, investigators begin to notice problems. There are no clear signs of forced entry, >> [music] >> no indication that anyone broke into the house. Details in the timeline don’t line up. The teenager is Gregory Ramos. As deputies [music] continue speaking with him, inconsistencies appear in his statements. His account changes.

The physical evidence does not support a break-in. The direction of the investigation [music] shifts. During questioning, Ramos admits the burglary story was false. What about the part that you staged a crime [music] scene? Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. Oh, so um >> [music] >> in the middle of the night, I realized that, hey, my mom just up and disappears.

 That’s not going to make any sense. So um I decided to make it look like a box robbery. [music] So I just went in my house and I just threw [ __ ] everywhere. Um which looked pretty convincing. >> [music] >> Um and yeah. He tells investigators [music] that earlier that day, he had argued with his mother, 46-year-old [music] Gail Clevenger. The argument was about school performance and grades.

 According to his statement, [music] the situation escalated inside the home. He says he strangled her. After her death, Ramos [music] begins attempting to conceal what happened. He stages the house to look like a break-in. >> [music] >> He moves her body using a wheelbarrow. He places it into the family van and drives away. He goes to an area near River City Church in DeBary.

 There, he buries the body. Afterward, he contacts [music] friends. Two other teenagers become involved after the fact and assist him with parts of the cover-up. They are later charged separately. Mr. No prior criminal history, no prior juvenile history, has never had any issues. There is a concern for for flight as a result >> [clears throat] >> of the very serious nature of the charges against him and that Mr.

 Porras was aware that a murder had been committed by his friend. He chose to stay at school all day without telling teacher, without telling another adult, knowing that his friend has committed a very dangerous act. There is a few factors of concern. Number one is the seriousness of this offense. Number two is just like I had indicated to the court previously, Mr.

 Segura knew all day long that Gregory Ramos had committed a murder of his mother. He, Mr. Segura, stayed at school all day with Gregory Ramos knowing this information, did not share that with anyone. Instead, went with Gregory Ramos and staged a botched robbery or burglary, destroying the crime scene. These are serious charges.

 Investigators [music] recover the body based on Ramos’s information. In December 2020, Gregory Ramos pleads guilty to first-degree murder, tampering with evidence, and abuse of a dead body. And you are under the terms of the plea agreement that’s outlined as being a conditional plea. This is for Mr. Ramos to be adjudicated guilty on counts one, two, and three of the indictment.

The sentence for count one is 45 years in the custody of the Florida Department of Corrections followed by lifetime probation. Probation will have the standard condition with the special condition of a mental health evaluation >> [music] >> with the requirement to complete any recommended treatment In January 2021, >> [music] >> he is sentenced to 45 years in prison.

The sentence includes a judicial review after 25 years and probation for the remainder of his life if released. Gregory Ramos remains in prison. Okay, now look at me. Look at me, Conrad. I’m going to tell you this right now. Okay? If we find out if you honest with me and you tell me what happened when that kid got shot.

Okay? Somebody got shot with your gun. And you know what I’m talking about. I ain’t do I ain’t shoot nobody. Okay, Conrad, look at me. Okay. Okay, now look at me. Look at me, Conrad. I’m going to tell you this right now. Okay? I wish it never happened. I wish I could take it back. I wish I could change things, but I can’t.

I’m really sorry. Sorry all the families I hurt. Summer 2013, Osceola County, Florida. On June 25th, 17-year-old David Guerrero is shot and killed in Kissimmee while walking to work near a bus stop. He is hit by gunfire from a passing vehicle. At first, police treat it as a single shooting. Within days, more incidents are reported.

 Shots are fired into houses, including windows, into parked cars, and in some cases down residential streets. There is no clear connection between locations or victims. Over the next 15 days, investigators [music] link 22 separate shootings across the county. Most do not result in injuries. On July 3rd, 22-year-old Eric Roopnarine is killed during a home invasion and robbery.

 Investigators identify 15-year-old Conrad Shafer, who was living with his parents at the time. As a child, Shafer had been treated for leukemia. During the case, his mother stated that the illness and its treatment [music] had affected his behavior. The rifle used in the shootings had been legally purchased by his father. Okay. All right, listen to me.

The casing from your gun [music] was found at that scene. And that’s for real. That’s as real as it gets. Shafer had [music] asked for the gun and ammunition and later took it from the house without permission. Prosecutors stated that some shootings were described as being done for fun while others appeared to be driven by an interest [music] in experiencing violence.

That is not an act [music] that is understandable as youthful indiscretion or youthful recklessness. There is something deeply wrong with a 15-year-old that can witness that and be seemingly un- moved by it. In court, the prosecution raised a central question. How does a teenager come to see killing as something he wants to experience? I’m Conrad Shafer. Mr.

 Shafer, try to speak up as loudly as you can, okay? Yes, sir. Is there something that you want to say to the judge before you sentenced? Yes, sir. Shafer pleaded [music] guilty to two murders and multiple related charges as part of a plea deal that reduced the number of counts brought to trial. He addressed the victims’ families and apologized.

 I would just like to apologize to the families that I’ve that I’ve hurt. I know that y’all never gave me none, I don’t expect [music] you to. I know if I was in your position, I’d feel the same way. I’ll feel it every time. I’m really sorry for the things I’ve done. [music] And I know that they’re wrong. I know my apology don’t mean nothing to you.

And I know that it ain’t going to change how you feel about me. He was sentenced to two consecutive life terms in prison. >> [music] >> Our position is that the defendant must be sentenced to life in prison with a review hearing in 25 years. Because he was 15 at the time of the crimes, his sentence is subject to mandatory review after 25 years under Florida law.

 He remains incarcerated in Florida. So, what actually drives someone that young to cross that line and in that moment act like it isn’t the end of their own life, too?